Curse

MooseyFate03 · Apr 15, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I'm sick of this favor crap.

I understand the theoretical reasons for it, but I don't like it. Sure it could "get me into PvP", but I mostly PvP anyways. What I don't do is pick up groups for PvP or PvE. That is not fun in my opinion. I have plenty of in game friends and guildmates so I no longer have to do pick up groups, but sometimes enough are on for a ToA level, but not for Heros Ascent. Even if they were, who cares, that's not what any of us feel like doing at times.

You could say that I'm only complaining because I don't have hall right now. And I am, because I logged on really wanting to try something in a ToA level. This is a game, and fun should be the point. I've never liked the favor thing, even when my region has held favor.

Right now you can change regions 5 times for the life of the account. It would be better if you would gain back one change per month. There's a European guild that asked me to switch. If I did that, I could go European region. But if I switch guilds back to an American guild, I'll want to switch regions. So this is 2 switches. I can do this type on thing once more for the entirety that I play GW. Another solution would be to have the entrance fees double if you don't have favor. Actually, I recommend implementing both those changes. I'd also like to see lv20 henchies that could go with you. And I don't want to hear any "get a second account". I have a feeling some aspects of Factions will be equally disappointing.

fiery · Apr 15, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Gain one every month, means abuse to happen. Change to Europe or wherever is favor the most, and use international districts.

Take the hunch and don't buy Factions than if your feeling resentment.

MooseyFate03 · Apr 15, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Ok then, give us unlimited switches then. How the F is it abuse to want to play FoW or UW on demand?

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 15, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

I understand you, and pretty much agree with your frustration about the favor of the gods system. In my opinion, UW/FoW are the only two true challenging spots in Tyria's PvE right now. And when I'm locked out of that because my server's teams don't keep up with Hall of Heroes, that is hardly fair. I wish to see this favor system abandoned, but it's looking like Factions will introduce similar concepts, the only difference being it will be individual alliances and guilds against each other battling for certain privileges instead of whole servers (that's the way it appears to be anyway).

So it's obvious Factions isn't for me, but I will of course buy it and play it because the new professions and skills do look amazing so far. I guess trying to have an open mind and having a willingness to find new things to do will only help. ArenaNet's fully aware of the current situation with the favor system, and I do believe they will find a reasonable way to compromise, putting the fun back into the high-level content.

Jessyi · Apr 16, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayne2550

I do believe they will find a reasonable way to comprimise, putting the fun back into the high-level content.

I doubt it.

Linking successes in PvP to content in PvE never made sense to me. Any time that the discussion between the difference between PvP and PvE (or "huge effing rift" if you prefer) comes up, typically screaming flaming posts come out all to say that the two aspects of the game have thier own corners, and that any play preference you have is utterly and undeniable separate from the other.

Just the same, a lot of people defend the favor system for no other reason (I imagine) than that this is how it was originally designed, and this is how it ought to stay. If the situation were reversed, and favor never existed and the suggestion were made to impose it on the game, there'd be just as much screaming and howling over how little sense it makes. At least that's my desperate, unfounded, uneducated guess. Call it a hunch.

I really wish they would just scrap favor outright, or failing that, link favor's benefit to something more closely related to how it is gained (read: some other kind of PvP event). I always thought (and think I suggested once before) that some kind of sub-tournament separate from HA could be unlocked through favor. Whatever - just leave us PvE shlubs to our business. Favor doesn't belong in our world.

-Jessyi

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 16, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

I do agree, it would fix the problem so easily if they un-linked PvE and PvP, via removing the favor system. It would give hardcore PvP'ers better incentive to win HoH, and would result in less frustration in dedicated PvE'ers such as myself and my guild. Regarding Chapter II, the whole faction/alliance thing only adds to the same concept of linking PvE and PvP, a move that is pretty cavalier and somewhat new; which results in much dissatisfaction and frustration by many. But I'll keep my hopes up, ArenaNet will find a way to make Guild Wars fun regardless of whether the PvP-PvE link is changed or not.

One side-note...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessyi

...just leave us PvE shlubs to our business.

There's more pride to be had in being a dedicated PvE player than is reflected in that statement.

lyra_song · Apr 16, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

If they completely disconnected PvP from PvE, then there will be an even bigger gap between the two player types.

There will be more hate and attrition, since there would be nothing binding the two player styles.

shardfenix · Apr 16, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

That's exactly the point of favor. So you can't play UW or FoW on demand. If you want favor, go get it. It's what I do (not this week tho

)
I do feel bad for taiwan and japan, seeing as how japan has had favor once, and taiwan to my knowledge has never had it. Favor gets those regions into PVP.
Favor will also make a big difference in future expansions of the game. A-net will probably add more levels into ToA for dwayna, lyssa, and melandru to make people want favor more.
I also think that if a group takes favor away from another region, that group should get double fame for the win.

Winterclaw · Apr 16, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

/not signed

If you've only got enough for UW/FoW but can't get there due to favor, go to HA with your guildmates, pick up a few extra people, hold the HoH or play in HA until america has it, then go UW.

Jessyi · Apr 16, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

/not signed

If you've only got enough for UW/FoW but can't get there due to favor, go to HA with your guildmates, pick up a few extra people, hold the HoH or play in HA until america has it, then go UW.

...why...didn't...I THINK OF THAT!?

My guild (god bless 'em) aren't exactly world-class tactical experts, and that's putting it really, really nicely.

I've got two options: join a mostly PvP-dedicated guild who do HA (like, y'know, with some success) which isn't too likely because I'm not looking for that kind of constant competetive atmosphere, and because my PvP resume doesn't have a lot of padding. I'm not even r3 for crissakes.

Two: Go into HA anyways with *whoever* and help feed the beast by losing to Europe. I can't imagine anyone will thank me for that.

Aside from that hopeless situation, I guess I'm completely in the clear! UW, here I come!

...
...

Oh...yeah...

-Jessyi

Spoony · Apr 16, 2006, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Be more optimistic, europe aint that good as u might think. Just focus.

"Stop trying to hit me, and hit me!" - Doppelganger

:P

Poison Ivy · Apr 16, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessyi

...why...didn't...I THINK OF THAT!?

My guild (god bless 'em) aren't exactly world-class tactical experts, and that's putting it really, really nicely.

I've got two options: join a mostly PvP-dedicated guild who do HA (like, y'know, with some success) which isn't too likely because I'm not looking for that kind of constant competetive atmosphere, and because my PvP resume doesn't have a lot of padding. I'm not even r3 for crissakes.

Two: Go into HA anyways with *whoever* and help feed the beast by losing to Europe. I can't imagine anyone will thank me for that.

Aside from that hopeless situation, I guess I'm completely in the clear! UW, here I come!

...
...

Oh...yeah...

-Jessyi

Simply leave your guild and join one that is!

Like I'm planning to do...

Josh · Apr 16, 2006, 10:10 AM // 10:10

Poison, are you blatantly ignorant on purpose or something?

"because I'm not looking for that kind of constant atmosphere".

Kariston The Swift · Apr 16, 2006, 10:29 AM // 10:29

It'd be so much easier if everyone liked pvp and pve like me. I never have these problems because I can go to HA and try to take favor then do a guild run of FoW.

Josh · Apr 16, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift

It'd be so much easier if everyone liked pvp and pve like me. I never have these problems because I can go to HA and try to take favor then do a guild run of FoW.

Well obviously there are some people that don't, now how does your statement help..? ;\

Avarre · Apr 16, 2006, 10:57 AM // 10:57

It's annoying as heck to not have favor... but I don't mind having something built-in to rant against

Leave it as it is, I'd say.

NatalieD · Apr 16, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

I don't care for PVE. I've never been to the Temple and I doubt I'll ever go. I've even been known to wish aloud that Guild Wars had never had a PVE component so that Arenanet would focus on what's important.

But even I can see that favor is a terrible idea and should be abolished.

Zackile Greenbirth · Apr 16, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

For the first 6-8 months America and Korea ALWAYS has favor, and Europe only had it for a couple of hours aweek! America still has alot of favor!!!!!!! sadly Korea and Japan don't. Yes Eurpoe has the most favor, but it's your fault for not stepping up to the new level!!!

I Know Iway and Spike Builds are getting boring, but they are the way to win HoH so either make a build that surpasses them or do Iway or Spike.

"If you can't Beat Them, Join Them"

/notsigned

Rayea · Apr 16, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

gees, i am totaly SICK of the lot of you....

what the frell is it with , eat it or bugger off atitude...

i mean, what if i told all of you to go play a train simulator because it was ether play that and win some area you wanted or to sod off and go play another game.

i will not *join them* as you say..i am TOTALLY, UTTERLY CRAP AT PVP..!
i will be WASTIN a space that a COMPETENT pvp player would be able to use...
for goddess sake, stop telling everyone to beat it or leave.

if your a permamnat fixture at a pvp match ad HATE with a venghence pve, would YOU like it if i tell you that to have the ToA and HoH, you have to wait around for a bunch of PvE players to finish the HA missions in enough numbers....No, you will scream, cry and throw a toddler sized tantrum.

so where does it say that it is right and fair that you can say the same thing to us, who do not enjoy pvp and may, like me have absolutely no aptitude for it...
which would you rather have, hm? a good pvp player that can be relied upon to be there and work in the group, or a pvp crappy player that has no idea and will not understand and be able to cntribute in your groupe?
im betting on the good player

Sidra · Apr 16, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by MooseyFate03

I'm sick of this favor crap.

I understand the theoretical reasons for it, but I don't like it. Sure it could "get me into PvP", but I mostly PvP anyways. What I don't do is pick up groups for PvP or PvE. That is not fun in my opinion. I have plenty of in game friends and guildmates so I no longer have to do pick up groups, but sometimes enough are on for a ToA level, but not for Heros Ascent. Even if they were, who cares, that's not what any of us feel like doing at times.

You could say that I'm only complaining because I don't have hall right now. And I am, because I logged on really wanting to try something in a ToA level. This is a game, and fun should be the point. I've never liked the favor thing, even when my region has held favor.

Right now you can change regions 5 times for the life of the account. It would be better if you would gain back one change per month. There's a European guild that asked me to switch. If I did that, I could go European region. But if I switch guilds back to an American guild, I'll want to switch regions. So this is 2 switches. I can do this type on thing once more for the entirety that I play GW. Another solution would be to have the entrance fees double if you don't have favor. Actually, I recommend implementing both those changes. I'd also like to see lv20 henchies that could go with you. And I don't want to hear any "get a second account". I have a feeling some aspects of Factions will be equally disappointing.

In Factions, you may lose control of towns that you started out with, or push the border out and take control of other's towns. Unfortunately, there is no way to actively balance who joins which Faction and how skilled they are, so I have no clue how it's going to turn out. Bleh.